VOTE NO! on Question #2 (It NOT about Lights!)

[hodiddly]

So, you are saying that you concur with the extremity of her analogy?... Stating that someone "sounds like they need therapy" is hardly questioning said persons sanity. Many sane people go through therapy, and find that they benefit from it a great deal. My point (and this may be construed as a straw man) was that there is probably a more relevant comparison, and a rational way to convey the opinion. My comparison to ThinkingMama was meant only to acknowledge my impression of her rational presentation of her opinions. I stand by my original comments - syzygy mentions Rodney King, KKK, & Hitler - if that is not someone who is unrationally trying to scare and influence, then I dont know what is. Are lights on a football field really going to promote genicide? I dont think so.

[LouS]

Let me be frank. I have posted and emailed my feelings towards this action of sign theft. It should not be part of the process and is not something that should be tolerated. However, and this hopefully will fall where it needs to, I do not feel that any prolight adults are either directly responsible for this by acting this out themslves, or indirectly responsible by letting their children do this.

To suggest this is just another way to attack a group in general, ( ex. Nazi Germany and baseless accusations against the Jewish, trying to incite populations with innuendo and no facts) without fact. If you do not like one of the signs, then attack as you see fit, since it represents the group. If you do not like one of the messages, attack at will.

I could say that the supporters of a no vote for number 2 are taking the signs themselves. I will not because it makes the same assumptions as suggesting that other than misguided youths have anything to do with taking their signs.

[standish]

hodiddly said:

So, you are saying that you concur with the extremity of her analogy?... Stating that someone "sounds like they need therapy" is hardly questioning said persons sanity... My comparison to ThinkingMama was meant only to acknowledge my impression of her rational presentation of her opinions. I stand by my original comments...

Is Syzygy a "she"? Perhaps you know. I don't. Re-read my post (It seems I have to say that to you quite often... I hope you don't deliberately misconstrue others' words to achieve your ends.). When you look again, you'll see that I differentiated in regard to "degree". Stating that one needs therapy because they sound "stark raving mad" doesn't sound like tempered and well-intentioned advice to me. Nor does "taking away the validity" of ThinkingMama exactly sound like you're uplifting her arguments. By the way, who mentioned genocide and how does it apply to Rodney King?

[standish]

standish said:

The number (dozens of "Play by the Rules" signs) and pattern of sign theft all over town (same modus operandi... either frame in place with sign removed or flattened with bent frame) entails suppression of political speech. This practice is not the same as the random pranks of kids from times past. I believe that this difference is the analogy to which Syzygy refers... to varying degree. Nor does your personal disdain for lawn signs in any way diminish the act. Your ad hominem attack about his/her sanity is also a bit over the top. Your efforts, by innuendo against "ThinkingMama", to discredit her intelligent arguments against throwing out zoning, are weak at best, and hostile toward her, at worst.

One newly-discovered fact: the majority of the sign thefts happened after 11:30 p.m. on a school night... apparently by kids without parents?

[LouS]

First, I agree that on a school night parents should know where their kids are and out usually is not good.

I try not to throw too many stones because when they break glass or bounce back it is more evident and anyone with kids, no matter how good we think they are, either has knowledge of things they shouldn't have done or just tend to block it.

My questions about the 11:30pm time are two.

One, are the thefts noticed at a particular time or are they there at 11:30pm upon bedtime and gone in the am upon waking?

Second, might this be occuring at 6:30 am, just before school?

My point is to offer another point of view, not to make a statement of fact.

[standish]

Good point... it could have been before 6:30 a.m. That's the exact spread during which we know the thefts happened. Signs were there at 11:30 previous p.m. and gone at 6:30 a.m. Thus, it could have been early-risers.

[SyZyGy]

LouS, you wrote today 5/23/2005 circa 14:42 hr under 'VOTE NO! on Question #2 (It NOT about Lights!)' section:

Let me be frank. I have posted and emailed my feelings towards this action of sign theft. It should not be part of the process and is not something that should be tolerated. However, and this hopefully will fall where it needs to, I do not feel that any prolight adults are either directly responsible for this by acting this out themslves, or indirectly responsible by letting their children do this. To suggest this is just another way to attack a group in general, ( ex. Nazi Germany and baseless accusations against the Jewish, trying to incite populations with innuendo and no facts) without fact. If you do not like one of the signs, then attack as you see fit, since it represents the group. If you do not like one of the messages, attack at will.

[/color] I could say that the supporters of a no vote for number 2 are taking the signs themselves. I will not because it makes the same assumptions as suggesting that other than misguided youths have anything to do with taking their signs.[/size][/quote][/right]
Let me decode your tortured and convoluted message, then you can go back to playing with others here, Mein Herr:"Achtung! See following are your new orders, mein Kinder (my children). See 'Vote NO on Q#2' guys are vise to us. Dozens of complaints have been filed mit der WPD. So, be careful aus sere. I have put out see Vort dat I "know nossing". But, mein Kinder, you know dat I really don't mean it; see how I confuse "dem" mit mein gute, convoluted Englisch! Aber Kinder, do be careful. You might get yourselfs on celluloid if you aren't- and you could wind up behind bars (NOT those bars, Dummkopf!) and have to play your games sere! In see meantime, I vill dazzle sem mit more inuendoes, schmoke and mirrors. Sieg Heil! (Hail to Victory)

[Ironrod]

For the record:

2 signs that I asked my neighbors to place on their yards were stolen last night. These residents live on Wolcott Hill and the signs were clearly in the middle of their lawns and not near the snow shelf. These were yellow and black LIGHTS? VOTE YES! signs...apparently there's some among us who understand the message of these signs well enough to muster the effort to steal them. I guess that message must have been pretty clear after all.

[hodiddly]

Standish, If you insist on reading so much into every statement I make, then at least quote me in context and not just the bits and pieces you seem to have a problem with. Your comment regarding "differentiating to degree" or whatever, you sound like President Clinton (That depends on what your definition of "is" is) I think my points are clear enough,and need not the amount of scrutiny you put them through. I suggest, also, that you take your own advice and re-read my statement - I said that ThinkingMama states opinion without sounding like a stark raving lunatic, I did NOT state that anyone else was a stark raving lunatic - if you percieved it to be that way, maybe, truth be told, you felt that way. By the way, did you read syzygy's last post? (for the record I have no knowledge of syzygy's gender).

[standish]

hodiddly said:

...you sound like President Clinton (That depends on what your definition of "is" is)...

Just so you know my "is" is "is": Hitler's minions murdered, firebombed, brutalized and terrorized the opposition. They also tore down signs. The former is in the extreme degree. The latter, the lesser. It is a matter of varying degree, but, the actions are from the same mold. Now, do you understand?

[JackAss]

syzygy, you are out of your mind comparing fellow neighbors and taxpayers with the KKK or Hitler. Hodiddly is right on in his response.

Have you become that desperate to link such events to your signs that have been stolen or taken by town crews for being on town property.

You make it sound like there are lynchings on the green.

NO on 1
YES on 2

[standish]

JackAss said:

syzygy, you are out of your mind comparing fellow neighbors and taxpayers with the KKK or Hitler.

Lou is not Hitler and the nightrider pro-lights sign thieves are not the KKK. However, the sign thieves are not people I'd want for neighbors, either. Suppression of another's right to free speech is serious. I agree that Syzygy is over the top, but, not quite as far as some would paint him/her.

[JackOLantern]

Ironrod, maybe the people realized they were deceived when you put the signs up and took them down.

After the comments of your nazi friend you make no mention about what is said by him/her, but worry about a sign.Even standish is putting his chips on that horse.

I can't wait for the cove to come back into the spotlight and see if standish will compare the cove to some nazi river or some other silly thing.

[standish]

JackOLantern said:

...but worry about a sign.Even standish is putting his chips on that horse.

I can't wait for the cove to come back into the spotlight and see if standish will compare the cove to some nazi river or some other silly thing.

The fact that you're NOT worried about stolen political signs is what worries me. Maybe the Nazi analogy is not so far off. People who think like you, who minimize and diminish the right to free speech, are disturbing. The 'nazi river' comment borders on the absurd! JackOLantern... are you related to JackAss?

[oldetowne]

Wow.... Hitler, the Klan, lynchings, etc.? There was a full moon last night, which may explain this all. In the meantime, let's get out and vote.