Big Mouths with Little Facts

[LouS]

It was brought to my attention that Wethersfield Live may have had a few morons call in and make incorrect accusations and misrepresent facts, again.

There may have been a “little guy” that called in and made a couple of statements that were not quite true.

I find it very offensive that these “low level” individuals can get away with banter and diatribe and lies in an unscathed fashion and can then go to sleep at night.

I also find it overwhelmingly disgusting and distasteful that these and others of the same ilk get up in front of the council and berate, attack and act like the true ignoramuses they are. Not talking here about heated opinion, debates or arguments…talking about personal attacks.

Here is my take. Hang on because the roller coaster has just started. What goes around comes around…and relo is always an option.

[BobBowers]

Mr. Wormer, I know a thing or two about big mouths, but what are you talking about? Fill the rest of us in please.

[tooold]

What I think LouS is talking about is Rod's call in to the show.

I heard a replay today and the same old misinformation was being verbalized as fact by him.

No one should have to put up with raw sewage in their home but there is not a correlation between the Cottone Field upgrade and this occurrance. See the engineering specifiations.

Mary Beth should not agree with someone unless she knows the facts. And Rick, to my suprise, was not fully aware of the real facts. They both do a great job on the show so this was unexpected.

Rod first stated that torential rain running off from Cottone Field was the reason for all the wash out along the trail. Fact is, the retention system does not allow the same speed of runnoff as would normally swell into the wetlands, but offers a slower release.

Rod then stated that Lou Sanzaro, an assistant football coach serving on the Inland Wetlands commission, was responsible for the vote that was taken on Cottone and then subsequently resigned. To which Mary Beth stated "wasn't it pretty clear why he was on the committee?". Rod is a true #$&#( with #&#( disease and again off the mark because Lou is still on the committee and was appointed almost a year prior to this event. Mary Beth, your quote was not very nice.

I can see why LouS went into a tirade.

[LouS]

Tooold,
If you are an attorney, please give me a call.

This rendition of the events is almost to the letter correct.

This person lied about the impact that Lou Sanzaro had on the Wetlands vote...most commissioners (many having backgrounds in engineering and affilitations with the State and Federal Wetlands programs and great insight into the rules and regulations) spoke on this subject that night, but not Lou Sanzaro.

Lou Sanzaro has been on the commission for almost a year and continues to serve on the commission. No Mary-Beth, he was not put there for this vote, contrary to your statements. Rick Garey, hopefully, will bring light to this outrageous insinuation against Lou Sanzaro's character.

This lie is just the tip of the iceberg. When will everyone see that this "person" that spoke misrepresents the truth at every turn. This is just one example.

[oldetowne]

I missed the show so I have no idea what you're referring to. But I can guess.

Two points - first, a lot of people in this town discount anything that comes out of the mouths of certain people. To be attacked by them is a badge of honor in some eyes.

Second, town politics, even volunteer service on a board or commission, can be dirty and unpleasant. It's sad, but true. Especially when things are personal and controversial like the lights and turf. As long as you feel that you're doing the "right thing" for the town and can sleep at night, don't sweat the criticism. Listen to it and consider it, but don't back down when you honestly believe you're right.

[SittingBull]

LouS, You should go on Wethersfield Live, along with Mr. Rodd and have a debate or mix it up a bit.

Mr. Rodd is just like that Gasbag Teddy Kennedy with his bending of the facts.

Mr. Rodd and the rest of his minions are reaching and are coming up empty.

[LouS]

I am under advice to continue as I have and the input here just validates this advice.

Lies, distortions, inappropriate behavior and difficult individuals all have a way of being seen for what they are. As I distance myself from my initial reactions, I have developed a plan of action.

As has been said, buckle up for the ride.

[Bill Randazzo]

You have brought up something important when you said:

“Rod then stated that Lou Sanzaro, an assistant football coach serving on the Inland Wetlands commission, was responsible for the vote that was taken on Cottone and then subsequently resigned. To which Mary Beth stated "wasn't it pretty clear why he was on the committee?” Rod is a true #$&# (with #&# (disease and again off the mark because Lou is still on the committee and was appointed almost a year prior to this event. Mary Beth, your quote was not very nice.”<br>


First, I serve on the same committee that Lou S sits on and I could tell you first hand that there was no vote. The area that comes into questions was outside the physical boundaries of the committee so the IWC could not vote on it. Second, Lou has always done due diligence on any and every project that comes through the board.

Motion by Commissioner Buck, seconded by Commissioner Hallisey to APPROVE the application under a DECLARATORY RULING. The Commission determined that there is no regulatory jurisdiction.


I only wish people had the facts correct before spilling their emotions

[oldetowne]

No vote? What is this then? I wasn't there and never saw the application, so I don't know any of the substance, but it's tough to argue that there was no vote. I'd also be a little careful about publicly stating how many conversations occur among commission members before, during and after public hearings.

From the town website:

Inland Wetlands & Watercourses Commission
Public Meeting
May 19, 2004
The Inland Wetlands & Watercourses Commission held a Public Meeting on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 in the Town Council Chambers, Wethersfield, CT 06109.

Members Present: Fred Clark, Chairman
David Ambrose, Vice Chairman
Lawrence Buck
Joseph Hallisey
Antonio Margiotta
Frank Morris
Bill Randazzo
Louis Sanzaro
Paul Woodworth
Also Present: Donald Moisa, Wetlands Agent

Chairman Clark opened the meeting at 7:33 p.m.

GENERAL COMMENTS (Fourteen (14) persons in audience)
Mary Dobruck, 689 Folly Brook Blvd., had comments on two issues with respect to proposed changes to Cottone Field. She respectfully request that the Commission be reminded of the following issues:

Drainage changes have been tried at least on two other occasions. On of the renovation projects Bill Dest reviewed what was going on and felt that the drainage work proposed on the project was not being done correctly. Mrs. Dobruck stated to the Commission that before signing off on this project the Commission must take the responsibility to ensure that the drainage measurements proposed on this project actually will work especially given the now 1.4 million dollar price tag for the main and practice fields. She also stated that if the town is going to spend 1.4 million dollars that she wants it done correctly. The town has a fidiciary responsibility to make sure that the drainage on this project will work properly.
Mrs. Dobruck discussed her sewage problems and how the new drainage could affect her home and and other homes on their street making the situation worse. She asked for the Commission to have the MDC check water flows between Eagle Drive and Church Street and between Church and Nott Streets comparing rainy days to dry days. She also stated that she has lived in her residence for twenty years and has seen where changes made on the field and other areas have impacted from the sewer system or from surface water areas.

Mrs. Dobruck stated that the Commission and the Town must be on notice that the town will bear the financial responsibility for any negative impact on her property and/or her neighbor's properties.

Mrs. Dobruck other concerns involved the culvert that the town created at the end of Eagle Drive and Folly Brook Boulevard. Due to the culvert that was built, her yard as wells as her neighbors bear the brunt of water overflow.
Mrs. Dobruck thanked the Commission for their time.

Ronald Rodd, 88 Westway presented today to Don Moisa a petition #96-25 dated May 19, 2004 from residents on the west side requesting a public hearing on the Cottone Field. .

PUBLIC MEETING

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Application No. 507-04 ES, Town of Wethersfield, 411 Wolcott Hill Road (Cottone Field). Application to re-construct the existing football field at the High School to mitigate poor field drainage. Also seeking erosion and sediment control plan certification.

Corey Garro of Close, Jensen & Miller represented the applicant. Mr. Garro explained that the project consists of reconstructing the existing field and adjacent practice field to mitigate the poor surface drainage conditions. The project does not involve any disturbance to regulated area wetlands or flood plains. The town is only seeking an erosion and sediment control plan certification due to the non-regulated area.

Motion by Commissioner Buck, seconded by Commissioner Hallisey to APPROVE the application under a DECLARATORY RULING. The Commission determined that there is no regulatory jurisdiction.

Commissioner Woodworth and Commissioner Margiotta opposed.

Vote was 7 in favor 2 opposed. Motion carried.

After much discussion by the Commission, motion by Commissioner Hallisey, seconded by Commissioner Randazzo to CERTIFY the Erosion and Sediment Control Plan. The Commission Vote was 8 in favor, Commissioner Woodworth abstained. Motion passed.

[tomterific]

Oops!!! those nasty little "official minutes of public meetings" just got in the way of the spinners. Mrs. Dobruck was mistreated in public by the Mayor and we obviously now have posters who have either very short memories or would just make 'mis-statements' (being polite here). I'd advise doing a 'File Save' on the minutes at the town web site now, or making a quick trip to Town Hall to get a xerox copy of those minutes, just in case the text changes.

[tooold]

Tommybaby,

Yeah of little faith, been there?

I believe the vote was, as oldetowne posted, about the construction being out of the jurisdiction of the commission, not about whether the field should be done.

Semantics you might say. Read the protocols as to the hows and whys and you may have a better idea, or more directly, contact the chair of the commission for a full professional statement.

Still doesn't justify the lies that were stated and on electronic copies.