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Post by Bulldog on May 24, 2004 21:36:41 GMT -5
The hate America first crowd is doing more damage to our great country, because they hate President Bush.
To listen to these so called Americans, like Sen. Kennedy and the rest of his crew, maybe they would like to run Saddam for office.
I guess when they all sang God Bless America on the steps of the Capital on Sept. 11th it was just politics to them.
How about getting behind this President and support The United States of America for a change. It is one thing to dissent, but when the debate is over it is time to become one nation.
Could you imaging if the Republicans did what the Dems are doing to President Roosevelt or President Truman?
I just hope for the sake of the Iraq prisoner's that our guards are not smoking,because that would be the lead story in the New York Times.
EXTRA,EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT, IRAQ THUGS FORCED TO BREATH SECOND HAND SMOKE FROM BRUTAL AMERICAN OCCUPIERS, PRESIDENT BUSH TO BLAME.
Lets remember United We Stand!!!!!
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Post by GoudG99 on Jun 1, 2004 12:52:28 GMT -5
Isn't your over the top support of the President similar to what the "hate America" Americans are doing? The far right of his own part doesn’t love him as much as you.
Let's be honest. He has not done a good job; not a great one. He has pinned too much of his policy/decision making on the people around him and they have let him down. We were all hoodwinked (The President Included) with the idea that WMD's were the reason behind action in Iraq. I was all for going to Afghanistan and blowing the hell out of those terrorist bastards, but was not sold of the idea that we would be going to Iraq.
The President nearly got my vote last election because I liked his opposition of using the US military as "Nation Builders" a la Clinton in the Balkans. Well, here we are almost 4 years later with our young men losing arms, legs, and their life to secure a free Iraq? You have got to be kidding me. I don't want to spend $1 never mind $200 BILLION on some country that unless we took over their oil fields provides no benefit to me. I say lets raise the flag and make it the 51st State for that much money.
Iraq is the only thing the President can hang his hat on. He has done nothing to protect what is as important to Americans as our security from foreign terrorists. That's our Jobs. Some have convinced themselves that exporting a $24/hr manufacturing job and replacing it with two $8/hr jobs at Wal-Mart is a good idea. It's not. If the GWB gets beat in November it will be due to the thousands of jobs lost in Ohio, not the war on terror.
I'm all for protecting America. Now let's forget about Iraq and get back to focusing on us....or the U.S.
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Post by Sonic on Jun 2, 2004 14:21:54 GMT -5
Do you really believe it is Bush's fault that jobs are being outsourced all over the world? The answer is NO, for us as an economy to be successful we must outsource or we won’t be competitive or we loose a lot more jobs. The world dynamics are changing and we must adopt or be left behind. Kerry's wife company outsources 60% of their products. No president can stop this tide of outsourcing until we strategically find a way to be more competitive. No president is going to stop major corporations from meeting their profit goals. We're living in a world economy and if we don't adjust to the elasticity of demand and knowledge we loose. You like everyone wants products as cheap as possible and the corporate world understands that.
Remember, back in the old days we were able to manufacture products at the ratio of 8-1 over our world competition. Today, the whole world has access to all this same evolving technology except for military needs. There was a great article in the Hartford Courant about dentistry being outsourced. The difference in price was Glastonbury $32,000.00, Costa Rica, $8,500.00, for the same procedures. Both dentists were educated at the same schools in the states.
The point is, NO job is safe, and we must get our prices in line with the rest of the world or will see more of it.
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Post by GoudG99 on Jun 2, 2004 22:35:26 GMT -5
Isn't it the President's job and those around him to develop policies that protect "our way of life" economically? Outsourcing probably does create more jobs; however I have thought through the following example and have yet to find benefits for anybody.
Joe is a software engineer in Boston making $130,000. He gets laid off because his software firm decided Raul in India can do the same thing at 1/4 of the cost. With the additional revenue the software firms can employee field service techs for customer support and in total they will add 3 service reps to their books at $33,000. 1 JOB GONE BUT 3 NEW ONES ADDED. Great right? Wrong. Using a flat tax rate of 26% Joe while making his $130,000 was paying $33,800 in taxes to support billion dollar military operations to 'free' people who are bread to hate us.
The three new service employees who make a combined $99,000 a year will pay at total of $25,740 in taxes a tax revenue loss of $8,060. Coupled with the fact that the capitalist sprit that built this country is squashed like a bug because earning potential of someone with Joe's skills and education is only available if he puts on a turban and moves to India. The government is hurt because it moves into negative tax revenue. Yes, it does save money on programs that were funded to support the 3 previously unemployed workers, but what about Joe? His mortgage and car payments can't be supported on $33,000 a year. What about me? A deflation of earning power in the US can't possibly help the re-sale value of my home- can it?
The government is screwed in this situation if the jobs aren't replaced 4 to 1. Joe is flat out of luck. But the former snake charmer who now has Joe's job is thrilled.
Again. We American's need to wake up! I can not plead enough that party partisan politics needs to become a thing of the past. The people who get the shaft under the current system are, as always the middle and upper middle class. This is, and always has been a serious issue.
The problem with losing jobs off shore is that the end results are based on economic theory that is untested. I am a sales rep for a manufacturer. I've got news for you...Once that company moves to Mexico or Asia it isn’t coming back and that is a fact. It is too cost prohibitive to pack up and go and then move back. So for all of our sake I hope these models/ideas prove to be true- if not we are all in for it.
The Dems green policies and other social policies handcuff US companies into paying higher costs. The Republican's support of tax breaks, etc for big business who are allowed to pack up and go with no penalty just bless the practice.
Remember, back in the old days...like 60 years ago when we were fighting in WWII. The lion share of our success was attributed to flexible manufacturing. We had wigit factories that could transform themselves into bullet factories. The direction we are headed in is that a couple of generations from now we will have a society that knows how to make NOTHING! God forbid, a major war was to break out and we are forced to rely on foreign manufactured goods to fill our military needs.
To bring this topic back full circle. I will not allow the President to campaign and hide behind a war that he and the people around him created only to flip the switch and change the reasons as to why we are committed. In four year he needed to focus some attention on what was happening here. He was not elected President of Iraq or the Middle East. I love the military. I appreciate the Vets who have served in all of our countries battles. I was all for dropping 20,000 lb. Bombs on Afghanistan to break up the terrorist training camps. But, I am hard pressed to believe that the any of us would have supported this Iraq situation as it was presented for what it really is- a humanitarian/liberation mission to free a bunch of people who at best will only be next in line to take our jobs and still have the never to hate us.
Kerry's a phony. Nader is a whacko. And President Bush became a victim to what was considered his strength. He was thought to have assembled a team that could guide him through almost any situation. He got fooled by them and I got fooled by him. We desperately need a third major party in this county. It has worked in every industry in this countries history. Two big boys can cut deals with each other, etc to maintain their position and continually give us terrible service. But throw a viable third guy into the mix and everyone needs to buckle down and get honest and increase services.
The most pathetic people in the world are the zombie Dem and brainwashed Repubs. They can't see the forest through the trees! They refuse to acknowledge that the President, and don't feel burned that the President, switched his position on why we are in Iraq. They(the State Dems) insist on wasting time and money in an effort to get the Governor out of office, when they could be using their time in doing what they were elected to do...Make freaking laws and our lives better. They would win the next Gov. election in a walk if they would let the Gov. play out the string and go back to doing their jobs. But out of spite I will vote for the Republican canidate.
Clinton's in Bosnia (with the UN) freeing people from the rule of a war criminal and the other side brands it as a waste of military resources, not to mention a means to distract the public on the doings with his oval office assistant. Then their guy goes and "liberates" Iraq and he should win a Nobel Peace Prize.
Its so depressing, it wants to make you puke.
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Post by WhyKnot on Jun 5, 2004 13:20:13 GMT -5
It amazing to me, how anyone who objects to the policies of the Bush administration, is somehow unpatriotic. Especially considering the path this president has taken this country, to me this is outrageous, and stands against EVERYTHING this country stands for.
Bush has mislead this country into an unnecessary war. Rewind to his administrations pre-war comments, you would think Iraq had their finger on the button of a nuclear missile, even though there was a ton of intelligence to the contrary. His mentality is one of the cold war, not the war on terror, which won't be won on a battlefield. He's unfortunately created the greatest recruitment strategy for terrorists, that they never could have accomplished on their own. In addition, the administration doesn’t seem to understand or care about the fundamental reasons behind terrorism, and how to combat it... to say that terrorists are "freedom hating evil doers" is an incredible oversimplification, and should insult the intelligence of every American. It is laughable that he's running on a platform of fighting terrorism, when in fact he's making the terrorists stronger. He doesn’t understand global politics, but is now shaping them, and doing his part to perpetuate a holy war. This is the guy who couldn’t even NAME most world leaders before taking office. He has perfectly played into the terrorists tactics, not break it down, or make our country safer. We’ve taken our eye off the ball where it matters (like Afghanistan), and are now dealing with a debacle in Iraq.
Is this the president we want? One who cherry picks information to suit his own ideology? One who wants to write discrimination into the constitution of our great nation? One who has taken a budget surplus and spent like a drunken sailor to create the biggest budget deficit this country has ever seen? One who creates tax breaks for the wealthiest 10% of the country, while ignoring thee middle class (you certainly can’t criticize Bush for not taking care of his own)? One who’s environmental policy has taken the world far back by rolling back regulations, and refusing to participate in global steps to attack real issues like global warming? Come to think of it, what has he done that makes him worthy of another four years? I can’t think of a single thing.
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