New Petition part 2

[standish]

I guess it just comes down to a willingness to play by the rules, or a desire to win so much that the rules might be ignored. The SEEC establishes rules in order to prevent fraud and election abuse. It seems reasonable (and fair) to follow them... especially if everyone else does. It's kind of like zoning!

[SyZyGy]

Just as I had suspected, LouS.

You are hiding.

Your 'adios' is hollow.

So much for your "facts."

There is no good reason why I should be "nice." You guys don't play "nice". Your pathetic video is a testament to that.

Arranging to have your handbill stuffed into hands of the parents of little kids ("our children") who are just looking forward to playing soccer this autumn. Sad, sad, sad.....

As I have said, you and your crowd have made it clear, you are really NOT thinking about the "kids" but the "parents." Wethersfield (as a whole) be dam*ed.

Mirror and Mirages.

Whipping boys and scapegoats.

Bluster and BS.

Swamp gas and hot air! Just like Dandy.

The longer you avoid and delay answering the questions (in details) about your so-called PAC, what little credibility you have left here on this forum is going to evaporate.

Attention everyone:

"Lou is hiding!"

[Gotcha]

You’ve captured my attention with all this talk of PAC. What does a PAC actual do and why is it formed. My understand is a little naive because I really thought it applies to the election of candidates to an office. If that’s the case, which I’m probably wrong, how does it apply to a referendum?

[standish]

No more Mr. Nice Guy! The illegally-acting Lights Proponents crossed a line when they sent the blue flyer filled with lies and distortions home with my family's Ritchie registration form. Firstly, Ritchie League cannot act in this capacity. Secondly, it was, contrary to their representations, the decision of Council and the bad advice of the town attorney that cost taxpayers $25,000 for the referendum. Thirdly, Question #2 is not to "Permit Lights Higher than 14 feet at Park and School Sites." It is to empower Council, for all time, everywhere on town property, to ignore zoning. If theirs is the "voice of the majority", as the flyer states, it is the voice of a horrid mob that's out of control. When combined with the lies and distortions (yes, that's what they are) in the Lights video on WCTV, these people should be ashamed. I thought more highly of some of them. I hope the SEEC slaps hands hard! Now I'm mad!

[tomterific]

Sheila Supiwich stated on the Let There Be Lights video that the same lights which would be installed at Cottone have already been installed by "their contractor" at a number of fields in Connecticut. But she never said who that contractor is, and she never said where those type of lights have been installed in CT. I for one would like to examine the contractor's credentials; and I would also like to see those lights for myself (and probably review the Town Council & BOE minutes in a town where they were installed). I'd feel a lot better if I knew the track record of that company. I need answers.

[JudgeSmaels]

Syzygy, You used to be level headed and a voice of reason, but you have turned into a rabid dog, foaming at the mouth. In your present state you would be a good one to put on the Feral cat problem over running morganika.

tomterrific, time to get off of the fence. You and others that like to study everthing to death is why the town is still in the 60's.

If you had it your way, we would be driving around studying turf in other towns and instead other towns are coming here to study our turf.

Let's Light it Up and be done with it.

Sy has to many Feral Cats to start stalking! ;D

[standish]

I hold hope that, at the last minute, in the privacy of the voting booth, sports-oriented parents will think about why there are rules and what it means to play by them. They'll consider whether it's worth it to suspend rules for one short-term gain (the goal), but, in the process, throw out the rules for all other plays. Secretly, and unbeknownst to their pressure group, they'll do what's right and "Play By The Rules". They'll Vote No to Number 2!

It's about power... not lights.

[gibby]

some of the people pushing for a yes on question 2 may have another agenda. leaving commercial road clearing equipment on a residential driveway in plain sight for the neighbors is probably a violation. but if the town can do exemptions from p & z, maybe that road clearing equipment will just stay there forever. the person who has the yellow snow plows sitting on his driveway knows who he is. he ought to clean it up.

[oldetowne]

The town may also have another agenda... even though it probably hasn't thought about it. Town Hall would be delighted if it didn't have to comply with all those annoying rules and regulations. They already violate the 7 am noise ordinance on almost a daily basis in the spring and summer. Those truck trailers sitting in the town hall parking lot are NOT part of the construction activities. The town had to rip up illegal pavement down at the Cove a couple of times. The town also had to undo some work it did at the 1860 reservoir without a permit. They were idling buses behind Webb for hours, polluting the neighbors in the new houses up there. These are the things - THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LIGHTS - that the town does on a regular basis that would only get worse if question 2 is passed.

[JohnW]

The Town Manager holds an official document dated January 3, 2005 which includes the statement that existing lights higher than 14 feet on town property are grandfather'ed and would not be subject to the wording of Question Number 1, should it pass. Why will not Ms. Therrien release that document to the public? Is the Town Manager taking sides? What would happen if a citizen made a Freedom of Information request for that document? Are concerned citizens making attempts to acquire access to this document?

[JohnW]

It's a beautiful Friday night for a ballgame. Temperature around 60, clear sky, no wind. The High School Softball game is playing Hall under the lights at Millwoods. Let's count the house. Looks like about 25 fans sitting on the visitors 1st base side. Let's look over behind the Eagles bench at the home bleachers. Let's look around the backstop, and let's not forget the people sitting in lawn chairs near the stands and down the 3rd base line. Doesn't take long to count; looks like about 50 people (and that's a generous count). So, here's a preview of how the Wethersfield sports fans support night games. That's the rest of the story that you won't hear anywhere else.

[SyZyGy]

Where are you hiding, LouS?

Let's start a new game in town: "Where's Lou?" - something along the line of "Where's Waldo."

Any confirmed sightings of LouS? Maybe he is hiding under his bed, or inside his closet, or maybe he just crawled under a rock with his buddy Danny.

Anybody seen LouS around? I am still waiting for detailed answers and facts from him. You know, he is really big on facts and interpretations and impressions. He wants to here from us, but he BS's the rest of the time himself.

He claims that he is a PAC: (and I quote LouS on this forum) "If you do your diligence, you will see that this statement is incorrect. I have been registered for two years. "

Wow, Lou. You are a PAC, and you have been one for two years, you say. BS! BS! BS! There is an occult PAC called the "Wethersfield Youty Organization" but YOUR NAME, Lou, does appear anywhere on the papers which were registered with the Town of Wethersfield. Danny's name appears there, but your name does appear there.

Or do you mean there is somewhere, hidden in the vaults of Town Hall a Lou Sanzaro, Political Action Committee. Don't think so, big guy. As a matter of fact there is no PAC registered in Wethersfield for the past FOUR years with YOUR name on the paperwork which is in town hall now. Or, did you somehow switch the paperwork when no one was looking and now you regret it. What does your lawyer have to say about all these shannigans which you have been up to. Danny has gotten you into a real pickle hasn't he.

Now I see that for the first time publically the WYO is claiming responsibility for a flyer (with Bob Peters name at the bottom as "treasurer") which they are circulating around town. That's really good, because the SEEC will now have an easier job of nailing your a**es to the wall with some really juicy fines: flagrant misrepresentation of facts to the voting public - also known as lies.

Yes, the WYO is lieing to the public, yes lieing - and its "all for our kids." Anyone with even half of a functiong brain can see the lies in the flyer which claims that the WTXA sued the town to prohibit turf and lights.

ATTENTION: THE WYO IS LIEING TO THE PUBLIC!

The WTXA brought a writ of mandamus before a judge insisting that the Town of Wethersfield and the Town Council DID NOT PLAY BY THE RULES by pocket vetoing the two petitions which were certified by the Clerk a full year ago. The judge looked at the FACT (remember them Lou?) and said, yeah, you're right; the Council did not play by the rules. The Council PREVENTED the PUBLIC from voting on these two questions during a GENERAL ELECTION at which time it would have cost the people of Wethersfield NOTHING. The judge said to the Council, the Town and their (cough, cough) Attorney, I think you guys and gals had better PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THE ONE REMAINING QUESTION (lights) or take you chances in Court. The Town, the Council and the Attorney said, oh, no, judge we don't want to do that; we don't want to be exposed for the fools that we are; WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE MORE OF THE CITIZENS' MONEYS THAN WE THE COUNCIL HAVE ALREADY WASTED; may be can come to an agreement with the taxpayers in Wethersfield: We the COUNCIL will give them the referendum opportunity which WE THE COUNCIL had denied them (even though it will cost the town of wethersfield about $20,000 now through our stupidity), IF they the taxpayers and the court agrees not to tell the world just how STUPID WE THE COUNCIL WERE, BUT THE TAXPAYERS WILL HAVE TO AGREE NOT TO RAISE THE TURF ISSUE. An then a hidden, sealed agreement was signed to GIVE THE PUBLIC WHAT HAD BEEN DENIED THEM (AT NO COST IN 11/2004) BY THE COUNCIL - a chance to vote on the CERTIFIED PETITION FROM A LARGE GROUP OF PETITIONERS.

The WYO is lieing to the public!

So, Lou. You see, I did find the facts, interpretations and impressions that you SAY that you relish.

So Lou, where are you hiding?

Anybody seen Lou?

Lou! Lou!

Where are you, Lou?

"Mirror and Mirages.
Whipping boys and scapegoats.
Bluster and BS.
Swamp gas and hot air! Just like Danny, and now the exposed WYO. "

Attention everyone:
"Lou is STILL hiding!"

[saj]

Syzygy –<br>Your last post sounds a bit threatening and a tad like harassment. Who in their right mind would respond to these writings. It looks like it is easy to make these statements behind anonymity. I think most people know where LouS lives, even SBC white pages, but should he worry about his family’s safety after that tirade? Whether he is right or wrong, you agree or not, this harassment is unwarranted and I am ashamed of all of you who should behave like mature adults and do not. In this day and age, the language used in your posts is not looked on favorably. I would be interested to see how LouS may respond to this posting, although he doesn’t seem to stoop to the level of attacking individuals. Just some observations from a non-biased citizen. I am finding this all very interesting, and the way each side is conducting themselves whether on this site, tv, or in person may just help me decide which way I vote-and of course, the facts.

[SyZyGy]

I find it very, very interesting that the "people" (of your caliber) who have chided me about my chiding of hiding Lou are dabblers who have minimally contributed to this forum. You know who you are; you marginal p o s t e r s have not contributed to this medium as others have. You are essentially lurkers.

I have got to believe that you have been 'called into service' by the über Lord Lou to save him the time, trouble and "face" while he is hiding (probably trying to figure out how to dig himself about of the trouble he has gotten himself into).

YOU are the one who has raised the spector of confrontation, not me. If YOU are SO warped that you could even consider that, then, saj, you have a truly twisted mind. Shame on you!

Lou is a master of disguises and distraction and diversion. He wanted facts; I gave him facts; and he hides - tells you something about him - doesn't it!

I have lost all patience with him and his buddy Danny and now the surfacing WYO - whose filings with the State of Connecticut I can hardly wait to see, even if it is after the 5/24 referenda. It is interesting that it/they have been able to avoid the legal reporting requirements so far. I hope the SOTT and AG will take an interest in it/them, sooner or later.

I really don't care one way or another if you agree or disagree with my post. I don't care if you like my tone or content (far more moderate than your warped conjectures). You have obvously not been following the tactics of Lou and his band - both in the forum and around town in the last month. (Every few days or so, "his" (co-called) PAC, and the WYO, PAC (?one in the same) and people allied with it/them do or say something outrageous - just to get their way by taking the easy way out. If you had really paid attention and followed it all, you would understand the roles everyone is playing here. This is all part of the "ride" which Lou promised us months ago.

[LouS]

saj and others.

I don't particularly respond to school yard taunts and tactics and do feel a little bit threatened by the tone of some of the attacks posted, but to let you know, I will be getting some information to you this week after my meetings have been finalized.

syzygy, your taunts and harrassment, notwithstanding, have the guts to come out of hiding. May be tougher to play your game.